Kaitlin wrote:Glaucon wrote:Sorry, but that is nonsense. Maybe you don't like the word 'political', and of course, you can define your terms any way you want to, but... ah well... doesn't matter. Just a semantic issue. Call it non-political if you want to. *shrug*
It isn't semantics at all to point out you are clearly confusing the two issues. The polls certainly are not drawn along party lines about this incident. Far from it as clearly shown by the poll. (Now I only give a certain amount of weight to them but they do have their benefits).
Let's keep the numbers simple and approximate to make the case here. Assuming that the non white population in this country who state they are democrats is skating around 45-50% if this were a heavily political focused debate you would see poll numbers that reflect that. They don't. I call it non political because it isn't.
That is not the real nonsense part. The real nonsense part is where you say that the opinions in this thread follow along typical racial lines. I have no clue what the 'race' of people posting here is. I don't think you do either. I doubt it played any part in this debate, but even IF IT DID, neither me or you could tell one way or another, since this isn't a forum on which we post under our RL identities, let alone our 'race'.
Now on this point I am wondering what thread you have been reading or where you have been for the last two years. I'd be willing to bet that I could place race & nationality (which is important) for about 85-90% of the posters in this thread even if some of the actual responses to this thread and others have made race pretty clear. That said I think it is less of a factor in this thread because of the nationality diversity. The view of the US from outside it's borders tends to be more critical on some things and oddly more rosy on other things.
The debate is a racial one because at the heart of the issue is did he have cause to pursue this teenager and accost him.
What continues to make this a huge racial issue beyond just "what set this in motion" is the handling by the police. You can choose to believe it was incompetence or a lack of care due to the race of the victim.
This is where the poll shows it is clearly a black and white issue.
Whites in this country have a very positive view of our judicial system
You just said a mouthful.
I find the team analogy more fitting than your political analogy because that is what this issue has become. Not whether you are a republican, independent or democrat.
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Mat Vhargon wrote:Still to this point no actual evidence that THIS killing was race related nor the police / prosecution's response to it. Seems that this new hard nosed prosecutor for the state who is doing her job well as far as I can tell to this point has not charged Mr. Zimmerman with a hate crime nor has the charging document even hinted that it was race related in fact it seems to have gone out of its way to say the opposite. I hope that the truth comes out whatever that may be in the trial but until it does there just is no proof as of yet that race played a part in any way in this incident other than the news coverage after.
Sure we can throw up our arms and scream at the top of our lungs that racial profiling is wrong that treating someone different based on race is wrong I do not believe that is in question at all, however I have yet to see how that was done in this case. Sure some say that the police etc handled the case wrong but nobody has shown that they handled it any different than they normally would either, there has yet to be shown any pattern of behavior on the police's side that shows racial injustice in modern times at that location. The only thing offered up so far is some generic as of yet unsupported proposition that if the race were reversed that it would have been handled differently.
Kaitlin wrote:Mat Vhargon wrote:Still to this point no actual evidence that THIS killing was race related nor the police / prosecution's response to it. Seems that this new hard nosed prosecutor for the state who is doing her job well as far as I can tell to this point has not charged Mr. Zimmerman with a hate crime nor has the charging document even hinted that it was race related in fact it seems to have gone out of its way to say the opposite.
Apparently you haven't read the affidavit. It clearly states that Zimmerman profiled Martin.
She hasn't charged him with a hate crime because Florida doesn't have any sort of legislation that covers hate crimes, Mat. She wasn't investigating him for a hate crime, either. The US Justice Department is doing that, and they have not yet rendered the conclusion of their investigation.
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