PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby DarbyDollinger » Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:46 am

Gor sims going poof is the way of things. You can't get attached to any of them.

I didn't like the Empire of Ar build when I first saw it, but it's grown on me. Has a bunch of nice people too who seem to be former or current GE, but are mostly decent roleplayers besides the "/me would look out the window" nonsense.
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Tamar Luminos » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:03 pm

I got approved to play in Ar but I haven't been able to dive in yet- been seeing some hints that there's problems in the sim that have me a little bit reluctant, anyone here that can shed some light on these?

Sim owner seems to be a bit rude, least that's how he came off the other day when he opened up the group chat (and really- why would sims not have open group chat?) and tossed out a question to start a discussion and then quickly and started barking at people to stop talking about it, trying to shut down the conversation by shouting people down. Huge red flag to me, when the sim owner acts out poorly in public. Was this a one time thing or is this a pattern people have noticed?

There've been messages and snatches of discussion that seem to indicate that public roleplay has stalled out in the sim and they're trying to think of ways to get people involved again. To my experience, when public roleplay stalls out- it's usually a bad sign but I was heartened to see the topic at least being brought up as a sign that the problem was noted and (hopefully) being worked on. Has the roleplay really stalled out and if so is there an underlying problem as to why (staff being rude and running people off, bad apple clique taking root in the sim and driving people off, nothing to do and people all hiding in private roleplay driving people off, etc.)?

Then today I noticed a notice that the sim is going to be open to raids from BtB and GE sims at any time, and people who don't like raids will have to go to a designated no-raid area when this happens. I can see good and bad to come out of that but that's not a thing that would make me not want to play there. I'm curious about what existing players there think about it, though, if they think it will help or hurt the roleplay situation for the sim.

Also, I noticed another notice about a slave training school opening up in Ar, The Pride of Ar. I'm of two minds on this- one, part of me was like "Woo, cool! That could be interesting and fun for slave type characters if it's well run and free of onlinisms and blurring of IC/OOC!" The the more pragmatic side of my brain said, "Yeah, but if it's not well run and free of onlinisms and blurring of IC/OOC it will really suck." Anyone in the know able to shed any light on this particular development that is relevant to my interests?

So I'm really unsure about all that and would greatly appreciate any info from people currently playing in Ar.

On an unrelated note going back to the OP- a friend asked me to go to Sais to check out their new build and let him know what I thought and I was really impressed. It looks way better, lots of prefabs but the really pretty ones, like from Tia- so overall, a vast improvement to the sim. (And no, I don't play in Sais and am not trying to funnel people from Ar in to Sais- I would like to play in Ar but I wanted to see if I could get any answers to my concerns up there first.)
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Melchior Wardell » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:22 pm

I love the rp in Ar, but than again I am finally playing a part that I had hope to play for years.

As to the changes. I think they are there due to some of the requests that have been made by players. Ar has been mostly diplomatic roleplay and while it is very edgy some players might wish the interaction of raids and such.

To come to these peoples request they have now - with the full understanding that when you raid your rules will apply in a way. So if your sim isn't BtB don't expect Ar to fight BtB. I myself don't see much in raids, but I guess I am not the only player there ! ;)

Either way I am having a blast there !
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Tamar Luminos » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:48 pm

Yeek. Well, I read the NC for the new Slave Academy of Ar and that cleared that right up. It was so rife with BDSM and Onlinisms that it made Iaomai look positively progressive. :banghead:

Oh well. Back to the drawing board.
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Theoden » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:07 pm

That Slave Academy NC was sent out without a full reading of it. It is being corrected.


In addition, anyone who wishes to speak ill of Empire of Ar on this forum, feel free to block, mute or defriend me. Because I will do the same.
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Harlequin » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:48 pm

Rather than engage and correct the statements/experiences with context? Seems slightly reactionary. In fact, doing so only perpetuates negative experiences, doesn't it? Wouldn't engaging be a better approach?
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Sasi » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:04 pm

Well, I will be off topic in starting to speak about slaver houses, but erm, first, when I started to read the NC about this new private slave academy, I was "Oh, finally a house which training is based mostly on sexual aptitudes! Great, that will change from these boring houses which train mostly with chores and require slaves to know by heart the "slave paces" without having a clue of what are slave paces in books and other crap.

But after, I read that:
Pride of Aria is also a place for free men and women alike to enjoy the sensuality of our slaves in training (...)


Really? Women invited to enjoy the sensuality of slave girls...?

In the fulfillment attached NC:
i have no will of my own other than that which falls within the context of the rules i have selected and of that which is needed to pursue the ambitions i am allowed to seek out as according to the permissions i have received from my Master.


We don't read the same books... And the similar statements in this quote don't offer many opportunities for the players to develop their character's personality or many emotions and stories...

my mouth may be referred to as a cunt for it will often be used as such.
my sex shall only be referred to as a cunt.


Yeah... It was not question about sensuality, in the introducting NC?

When the cock of my Master is put into my mouth and i am directed to suck it – i will do so vigorously as long as i am required to do so. i will not use my hands during the sucking unless directed to do so.


Ah... Future Gorean porn actresses are asking to not take initiatives :mrgreen:

I won't post the part about what a slave must do with the cum of her master, but it's enjoyable porn, actually :mrgreen:

Now, the slave role NC:
-CLEANER-

As a cleaner slave i shall use my tongue to clean my Master’s cum from the body of any slave He has put it upon and my mouth to suck it from a female slave’s cunt which my Master has used for His pleasure.

-PROVIDER-

As a provider slave i shall offer parts of my body to those selected by my Master for their pleasure.

-DOMESTIC-

As a domestic slave i shall perform chores for my Master with sexually enticing manners.

-SEX-

As a sex slave i shall incorporate a sexual attitude and hunger in everything i do and be eager to sexually perform for my Master at all times.


I like this last paragraph about sex slaves, because indeed, the precedent roles don't fell into the sex slave category, lol lol!

Yes, it's indeed very BDSM, not to mention, if you are a bit attentive in reading these notes, that the BDSM capital letter is applied.

The initial idea was good, but it would have been better if organized by a guy knowing the differences between Gor and BDSM. That slaver needs seriously to be taught his role, if not totally the environment. I suppose that he is new to the theme...

Slave training, in SL Gor, looks to me as the RP the most RPed like crap, I had to see a slave house with active people (committing for most than 3 or 4 weeks) who really follow the spirit of books
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Harlequin » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:13 pm

Only reinforces what I've said before. Gor in SL is not Gor.

It's SL Gor. It's not BtB. It's not anything related to the books outside of the basics. It's fanfic, with BDSM layered thick and heavy, and a huge does of "I want what I want." And that's okay!

Just I do so wish people'd stop being high and mighty about BtB.
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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Sasi » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:59 pm

I no longer believe in BTB actually. Too often, I have been involved in silly situations just because I played my roles according to Norman's books. The day when GE sims will label themselves "John Carter of Mars" I will definitely RP in these sims :)

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Re: PRETTY, UP TO DATE Gor Sims???

Postby Tamar Luminos » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:16 pm

Slave training, in SL Gor, looks to me as the RP the most RPed like crap, I had to see a slave house with active people (committing for most than 3 or 4 weeks) who really follow the spirit of books


Yeah, and it gives me a sad. I was kinda excited thinking about the potential for something like that in Ar or, well...any Gor sim. But meh. And I really don't get why it's so hard- the books go into great detail about slave training, slaver's houses, etc. and there are even handy notecards floating around with the relevant quotes- with tons of cool stuff they can do and roleplay out -without- the bullshit BDSM IC/OOC blur happening. I'd be so happy to see a slaver's house that was active, lively, and actually captured the spirit of the books without treating the people playing slaves like little girls, porn stars, or potential girlfriends.

(edits to add: And I love John Carter of Mars!!! :D )
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