Is conflict RP still possible?

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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Theoden » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:02 pm

Viggo wrote:
If FW; you BTB should not be doing any caste work, you should not leave your house without escort of a male family member unless you can afford a Guard. You have to spend your entire RP in your house, doing basically "house wife" rp for your companion or future companion.


That's actually funny, because she doesn't do caste work. She also has an NPC guard whenever she leaves the house. And she does spend a lot of her time indoors, as a true high casted FW would. :D

Viggo wrote:If slave; you are not allowed around the city, unless you have a specific chore to do for your owner. You can't be naked running around, and not allowed to fur every guy that looks sexy. You have to remain in you your house doing IC chores your entire time you are logged on, unless your owner is around. Even when your owner is around, in books they did not lead their slaves around the city every where they went on leashes. You would still be left at the house, doing chores. Unless you are a tavern slave or Inn Slave, then you would serve in there and never leave, never go hang out with slave friends. You would do chores all day, until a free comes in and you do serves all day as your own Rp.


Slaves around the city are on route to a chore or are doing a chore. They don't just hang out. But here again you are doing that thing again where you are forcing people to solo RP out RP, and you use that as an example of non-pragmatic true BTB-ness. Chores are FTB-able. That way, you keep the BTB theme of slaves doing work all day, but you don't have to do this masochistic solo NC chore rp. This is akin to mandatory rped out gate duty.

Viggo wrote:..if either of these sounds fun to be 100% BTB, please RP that way. But for the rest of us, that want a more developed game play we have to take into account this is a game and SL so have to make appropriate adjustments to have fun and interesting story lines.


That's funny, because that's what I said to you about your warrior rant. If rping out gate duty, rping out patrol duty, is fun for you, go ahead. For the rest of us, we will FTB those scenes.

Like you said, 'for the rest of us, that want a more developed game play we have to take into account this is a game and SL so have to make appropriate adjustments to have fun and interesting story lines'. Except I would add, the adjustments would not mean compromising the BTBness in theme and atmosphere, but rather using this RP tool called 'not RPing out every single fucking thing and just FTBing/fast forwarding things', as long as it doesn't god mod against another player's interest.

So there is much irony here.

There is also irony in the fact that you think Tarl is a great example of a standard gorean warrior, what with his interpretation of the codes and his basic weapons training, and yet you ignore the fact that Tarl thinks bows are a great warrior's weapon and not a cowardly one. Aren't you a bow hater? How do you reconcile that fact? I too, am a bow hater, but I don't use Tarl as a standard.
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Anarch Allegiere » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:07 pm

Tarl vs. Warriors:

“Cowards! Cowards!” cried one of the warriors, turning about, wildly. But then he fell, pierced by a dozen arrows.
He who would throw himself into the jaws of a larl may not be a coward, but he is surely a fool. - Swordsmen of Gor


Pretty hilarious in my opinion!
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Theoden » Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:44 pm

Anarch Allegiere wrote:Tarl vs. Warriors:

“Cowards! Cowards!” cried one of the warriors, turning about, wildly. But then he fell, pierced by a dozen arrows.
He who would throw himself into the jaws of a larl may not be a coward, but he is surely a fool. - Swordsmen of Gor


Pretty hilarious in my opinion!


Tarl... the original troll :P
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Dyce » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:02 pm

Anarch Allegiere wrote:Tarl vs. Warriors:

“Cowards! Cowards!” cried one of the warriors, turning about, wildly. But then he fell, pierced by a dozen arrows.
He who would throw himself into the jaws of a larl may not be a coward, but he is surely a fool. - Swordsmen of Gor


Pretty hilarious in my opinion!


That is exactly why I dislike Tarl's opinions in regards to teaching anything about Warriors. He transcended the Warrior codes in Raiders of Gor.

The Warrior codes, however, state purely that the only honorable death is one in battle.

That man may have been a fool, but according to his beliefs in the Priest-Kings, the Cities of Dust, his Codes, his Caste... he died honorably.

A fool, probably, but...

He fulfilled his beliefs and he lived his life to what he believed to be true and honorable.

That is all any of us can hope to achieve.

It is easy to judge another posthumously, but it is a celebration of life that should matter, not how one died. I bet that Warrior lived his life how he desired and died doing so, sword in hand.

A fool, yes, but... songs should be sung for such a fool.
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Dyce » Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:04 pm

JackoS wrote:Viggo

The warrior is there to protect his homestone. Certainly he will kill anybody trying to attack or damage it, including its citizens. But understand this, he will never protect a free woman who courts the collar, he will never protect a free woman who chooses a collar over death. It is simple, he will protect the homestone, to whom his sword, honor and life is pledged.


This.

It has nothing to do with the weak. It has to do with the codes of honoring one's Home Stone. The Home Stone could be sworn to by only strong, capable fighters, or a bunch of weak women. The Warrior will protect both with equal ferocity.
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Sasi » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:47 am

Viggo wrote:
Ok...I know you are defending theo, and that is cute..not a place in a debate to protect friends and saying what they want you to say.

But let us look at this logically: Do you RP a FW or Slave?

If FW; you BTB should not be doing any caste work, you should not leave your house without escort of a male family member unless you can afford a Guard. You have to spend your entire RP in your house, doing basically "house wife" rp for your companion or future companion.

..if either of these sounds fun to be 100% BTB, please RP that way. But for the rest of us, that want a more developed game play we have to take into account this is a game and SL so have to make appropriate adjustments to have fun and interesting story lines.


Although Theo replied, I decided to add my two cents, with quotes supporting the corrections to the onlineisms you brought, especially regarding slaves.

First, I Rp a FW, I have a NPC guard, a big part of my RP is in my character's private home, and my character is red caste (and even if I RPed a scribe, etc, still, I wouldn't RP caste work). I flatter myself to be rather creative, I enjoy having limits in non compromising because it forces me to make an effort of creativity. In fact, if you need to RP caste work or slave chores to get busy in RP and find your fun, you should question your own creativity, actually...

Now, did you read Fighting slave? You should, you would see, so, that FW are not so restrained, when no father, no companion. A FW can run a business, a FW can too even, be head of house and this, even if they have a brother
“Surely you were aware of delays in the matter of your
ransom,” said the praetor’s officer.
“Yes, your honor,” she said.
“Your brothers refused to pay,” said the praetor’s officer.
“Indeed, from their point of view, why should they? They
were now first in their house, and master of its fortunes. If
you were to return they would be reduced, again, to second.”
Lady Constanzia looked up at him. (Witness of Gor)


And read Fighting slaves, too, lady Melpomene and Lady Florence have much to teach you about FW's lifestyle.

And from books narration, it seems that low caste FW have more freedom, they are seldom escorted by a guard where going to the market....

Viggo wrote:If slave; you are not allowed around the city, unless you have a specific chore to do for your owner. You can't be naked running around, and not allowed to fur every guy that looks sexy. You have to remain in you your house doing IC chores your entire time you are logged on, unless your owner is around. Even when your owner is around, in books they did not lead their slaves around the city every where they went on leashes. You would still be left at the house, doing chores. Unless you are a tavern slave or Inn Slave, then you would serve in there and never leave, never go hang out with slave friends. You would do chores all day, until a free comes in and you do serves all day as your own Rp.



First, in taverns, slave may be sent outside sometimes, to seek customers to bring in the tavern. They are allowed time to rest, too. They serve men (bring beverages, etc), they are fucked in the alcoves, they danses. Unlike in the SL Gor, tavern are seldom empty. The girls don't have time for chores. For the chores, like cleaning the rooms, etc the tavern master has often an employee (read Slave Girl of Gor)

Not all slaves do chores, actually. Slaves have status, some low slaves will work hard, all the day, in kitchens, in cleaing rooms, etc, yes. Others will have a very pleasant life, taking care of themselves, their beauty, until their owner decide to enjoy their beauty and the pleasures they will bring to him.

The Gorean master does not buy a girl with the primary objective of obtaining a domestic servant but with the intention of acquiring a marvelous slave. He wants the girl to be a wonder to him. He is quite cheerful about the sacrifice of domestic servitude in order to obtain what is far more important to him. When he returns to his compartments he does not want to find a worn chore woman there but a lovely slave, fresh, vital, eager and fully alive, kneeling before him, waiting to be commanded.”


Slaves not allowed around the city, unless they have a specific chore to do for their owner, left at home doing chores? Viggo, certainly, we didnt read the same books:

“What does the girl do in her free time?” asked Audrey.
“Much what she pleases,” I said. “She will have friends among other slaves. She walks, she visits. She exercises, she reads. Within limits she does what she wants to do.”


Slaves, on the other hand, are generally free to come and go, as they please, not much noticed. They may have to request their master's permission to leave their domicile, and they may have to returned at a stipulated time, subject to discipline, and, indeed, has one not seen them hurrying frantically through the streets hoping to cross their master's threshold before the ringing of the fifteenth bar, but one is used to them, and pays little attention when they are about in the streets, the alleys, the markets, the plazas, and parks, save, of course, to speculate on their lineaments and wonder how they might looks at one's slave ring. --
(Swordsman of Gor)


They compare notes on many things, for example, on fashions, those of the free and the slave; the handsomeness of masters; the inferior quality of the new girls, stripped captures at the warehouses, being bought in by the young men from distant cities to be branded and enslaved, and so on; too, they may exchange beauty secrets, and subtle master-pleasing lore, of which slave girls know much; and, too, of course, as all women, they love to talk, and can easily wile away an afternoon, here and there, gossiping and chatting. They may have their petty jealousies and feuds, but, on the whole, for most of them, their lives are quite pleasant. Indeed, they have a great deal more freedom, in some ways, than the exalted Gorean free women.
~Guardsmen of Gor


Sometimes, too, in the abundance of free time enjoyed by most urban slaves, they simply wander about, seeing the city, chatting, exchanging gossip, and such.
(Magicians of Gor)


It's really an annoying thing in SL Gor, which makes slave RP totally uninteresting, to believe that slaves spend their day performing chores, never have free time, are always busy working, never leave her owner house for their own distractions. There is much to RP for a slave character, in this free time, where she will have interactions with other slaves (conflictsh, jealousy, rivalries, gossiping, making friends) and free (trembling at the feet of FW jealous of them, luring, seducing teasing men, than having her to check a chore board.

So, I do think you should open a book and stop relying on Gorean campus classes, Viggo...
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Theoden » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:26 am

Hmm. Interesting. I learned something today. Didn't know that about slaves.

Well, I too, stand corrected :P
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Re: Is conflict RP still possible?

Postby Pepper » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:44 am

Viggo wrote:If slave; you are not allowed around the city, unless you have a specific chore to do for your owner. You can't be naked running around, and not allowed to fur every guy that looks sexy. You have to remain in you your house doing IC chores your entire time you are logged on, unless your owner is around. Even when your owner is around, in books they did not lead their slaves around the city every where they went on leashes. You would still be left at the house, doing chores. Unless you are a tavern slave or Inn Slave, then you would serve in there and never leave, never go hang out with slave friends. You would do chores all day, until a free comes in and you do serves all day as your own Rp.


Viggo, I can't say how accurate you are about the Warrior code debate because I don't play a warrior, but you're wrong about this.

In case you either skimmed Sasi's post or don't believe her accuracy - not all slaves did chores. There were slaves, like display slaves, that were only there to please their owner, either sexually or by parading her beauty around when he went out in the city. The slaves that did do chores weren't always doing chores. There is a lot more to playing that role than chores. That's the kind of thinking that had us all NCing our chores and never sitting (because we always knelt back then) idle back in 2007. Slaves had free time, they had friends, and they had a social life. Please don't repeat that nonsense. You'll have us back to having to request permission to log off if you keep spreading that around. ;)

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