Kaitlin wrote:If you bring them up to shore up your position then the onus is on you to ensure that they did indeed agree with your position.
Kaitlin wrote:I showed you pretty clearly that Horizon didn't agree that a new meter was the solution.
Glaucon wrote:A new, better meter (and weapons) would be great, might in itself help to attract more male players, but I agree that it is not the real solution.
Kaitlin wrote:Theoden doesn't have to convince me of anything. We are actually in agreement on the small likelihood that those attracted by a new meter would evolve into the type of roleplayers that Gor needs to actually RP on a sim rather than just add to the avatar count. Or did you skip over that too in your reading?
Kaitlin wrote:There is a certain amount of trickle up but you are talking a handful.
Theoden wrote:From the influx of men into the genre, a few could show promise and 'evolve' (and i use that term loosely) to be solid RPers.
What are you reading?
Kaitlin wrote: I've played in both and frankly there is very little in the lore that is restrictive beyond clothing.
Theoden wrote:Even as a noob in shinigami with no idea what IC/OOC separation is, at the very least I could still para rp. Of course, that by itself is nothing, but eventually I got into the 'game' of roleplay rather than 'soulplaying' it.
Kaitlin wrote:I appreciate the clarification but I'm still not sure I agree. Let's assume there is some truth to your first point regarding FW. What you have stated doesn't apply to slaves who generally prance around gor naked. If the appeal of an RP genre is just to show off your pixels then you have ample opportunity in SL Gor yet it still fails to attract a large number of good roleplayers in this role.
On #2 I'm not sure that GoT is really that different in terms of the power of women. Catelyn Stark is a perfect example of just how similar the role of a FW in Gor and GoT actually can be. It holds many of the same limitations or powerful roles unless you are in a very unique position. Those roles are the equivalent of a wealthy FW, Regent or Ubara.
Theoden wrote:I feel like people just skim my posts.
You have a choice of A: Teaching someone how to write well (years and years of schooling/talent/practice) or B: Telling people so and so is wrong, so and so is right, and how to RP, and hope they learn.
I choose B, because A is rather hard to do.
I never said it was 'just contingent' on writing ability.
And I never stated you said it was the only thing.
I'll repeat. I didn't say you did. I used the word "just" to make my own point crystal clear of why I don't agree about the guy in Rorus being "cultivated". It appears it is you who have chosen to start skimming apparently.
Kaitlin wrote:I don't think it is just contingent on writing ability. That may be a factor but it is one of many things that factor into player evolution.
Kaitlin wrote:You assume playing slaves and free women are interchangeable. Some good rper women don't want to play as a slave and prefer to play a free woman that can show off her face and cleavage.
No that isn't my assumption. I offered a contrast to your position that some roleplayers care more about showing their pixels and that is why they choose GoT. I figured it was a better response than saying "bullshit".
To reduce the choice of many female players down to whether they can show off their avatar or not strikes me as sexist nonsense. It might explain why many sims don't require a veil in Gor but it doesn't explain why a player who can dress in similar attire chooses GoT over Gor.
I'll ask again since maybe I wasn't being clear. What can a noble woman in GoT do that a FW can't do in Gor. Just the run of the mill role.
Theoden wrote:Last I checked, women in GoT don't get enslaved just because they sleep around.
HorizonNinetails wrote:I think you can actually bring out the creativity pretty easily. People come to gor and see short posts, and thats all they ever write. If you introduce them to creativity - to expand their horizons, then they start adopting more complicated writing styles. I dont think it takes years to bring out - not for everyone. It didn't for my own writing.
Glaucon wrote:Kaitlin wrote:Theoden doesn't have to convince me of anything. We are actually in agreement on the small likelihood that those attracted by a new meter would evolve into the type of roleplayers that Gor needs to actually RP on a sim rather than just add to the avatar count. Or did you skip over that too in your reading?
We clearly read something very different. You read Théoden's posts as him cheerleading you. I read him as actually getting the stuff I and others were talking about (as opposed to yourself). And him not wanting to antagonize you by openly disagreeing with you (same as Anarch, really) because he can tell how you'd react (you don't take disagreement very well). I actually read what he typed. He did mention that the 'trickle down' of RP-ers from more game-like Gor environments would be slow. And of course, it would not happen for everyone, though it did for quite a few people posting here (perhaps most) and playing in the sort of para RP sims you like playing in, including the non-gorean ones. Maybe I am really blind, but it seems pretty clear to me he was agreeing with that, not dissenting.
Not that I expect him to back me up on that. And I don't mind him not doing that. Some people are wiser than I am. They know it is not worth it.
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