Frevet wrote:@ Theoden: The reason KL upholds their traffic despite the fact their admins are pretty...ahem....is the fact that they are the ONLY established sim of that geographical region. That's about it.
Yes the reasoning that Gor sims are so plentiful that it causes a 'spread' of traffic has been around for awhile.
However, consider this: If all gor sims consolidated tomorrow into three sims, sure, there will be a lot of traffic, but how much trash do you have to wade through in one of those KL-esque gor sims? I'm thinking it will look like something from midgaard from the early era.
My point was not traffic in SL gor overall, but rather traffic in quality, and what would boost quality traffic.
offnote: your I <3 rp events are awesome, good job.
Kaitlin wrote:You mentioned evolution but it is not just playing in SL Gor that causes this evolution. It is the interaction with more mature roleplayers. It can't be denied that there are fewer genuine roleplayers and the number continues to grow smaller. Is there even a para sim open ATM?
You are right, it does seem more so that it is the interaction with more mature roleplayers and personal development that creates better roleplay behavior.
However, inherent talent in writing is hit or miss. You can be the best IC/OOC separator and still have horrible to read roleplay.
Even as a noob in shinigami with no idea what IC/OOC separation is, at the very least I could still para rp. Of course, that by itself is nothing, but eventually I got into the 'game' of roleplay rather than 'soulplaying' it. I still occasionally see one or two men in noob sims like Rorus that hold promise and could be cultivated into something more. If there were more 'men', more men with inherent writing ability could be found and trickle upwards.
In realm of ice and fire, women did not have to wear veils and had more power than gorean free women. They could push more interesting storylines easier than perhaps your typical SL Gor fw.
Honestly I'm not sure I even understand your logic here. The majority of sims don't require women to wear veils. The idea that women can't create and drive interesting storylines is a falsehood. Male dominance does not mean that every story has to be rooted in a dominant act. A FW can be just as much a catalyst as a FM. (This might be a good OP BTW).
Yes that sentence I wrote was rather badly written. I had a jumble of points in my head and had to write it out in a short time frame (since I was at work and didn't want to be caught posting
). That sentence doesn't make sense. Let me rewrite the points I had in my head:
1. In realm of ice and fire, women don't have to wear veils. Thus there is less incident of good female roleplayers that get turned away by the fact that they can't show off their pixels (a lot of women in GE are good roleplayers and can actually stick with IC/OOC separation and roleplay BTB... but they kind of like to be fashionistas as well and put a lot of effort into their avatar face. There are very few good robes of concealment out there as well).
With lax veil/skin/cleavage restrictions, the amount of good female roleplayers increases in KL due to no perceived drawbacks of not being able to show off , and thus the total amount of quality traffic increases.
2. Women in gor IC are weaker in power than in GoT. Thus it is harder to drive storylines. I'm not saying they cannot, I'm saying it is harder. Sure, they can drive their own interesting storylines, but certain aspects of gorean society kind of throws a monkey wrench in things. Male heads of caste. Male high council members. Male leaders. Male officers. Male male male. FW in the books just laid about and did nothing (general statement).
In kaelus at least the women found a way around this, using their imagination and became master puppeteers of puppets, working behind the scenes with their guile and cunning to manipulate men into doing what they want. They could have a hand in politics if they wanted to. But you have to agree, it is a lot harder to depend on a third party to push your political storylines or caste conflict storylines than just doing it yourself. In GoT, the issue is still there, but less so. I'm not talking about dominance here , I'm talking about cultural patriarchy. A female noble in GoT can get a shit load of things done
A city full of Gor FW puppeteers would only work if there are a decent amount of male roleplayers to be puppets of in the first place.
As for all those gradually evolved male roleplayers leaving Gor, yeah, you're right, they do. Male roleplayer flight sucks
But they wouldn't go away if Gor attracted more non-gor quality roleplayers to negate the eventual gradual loss of roleplayers being burned out, or leaving for RL.
I agree that it takes time, though. But the alternative 'route'? Getting people over from non-gor text-only/para sims? That might work for some sims, some of the time. But I think there are far more people leaving Gor to go play on those sims than the other way around, generally. And if you used those sims as your recruitment pool, you'd move the burden of recruiting new people (and you are right, those are very important) to those sims. An RP venue/theme that respects itself should want to do it's own recruiting of new blood, not leech that of other themes.
The only way to jump start a high traffic good quality roleplay sim is not only promotion and a focus on good roleplay, but also an active core of players willing to stay there for more than five or six hours a day. Typically good quality roleplayers would only wait half an hour or an hour for roleplay before they get bored and log off... there has to be a core that would be in effect the 'roleplayers of last resort' if they couldn't find anyone to RP with during that hour of waiting.
Otherwise you're faced with a catch 22 situation. Non-Gor quality roleplayers want IC/OOC separation, quality, and moderate traffic. But how would you get the traffic if they wouldn't come in the first place? You would need to, before you start a high quality sim, get a core of RPers that are willing to dedicate a lot of their time to the sim to jumpstart it.
And why can't we leech off other genres? They leech off SL Gor. Leave it to some other genre to teach people how to roleplay. Like some urban sim.