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Re: Movies!

Postby Glaucon » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:26 pm

HorizonNinetails wrote:I agree with pretty much everything you said...but...

How do you explain Marvel: Agents of Shield?


Hmmm, I figure the USA has a kind of 'tier' market for TV seriers. The top tier is on the cable networks trying for quality. House of Cards, Breaking Bad, Games of Thrones, etc. Those series have to be pretty good, because folks are paying for it. And the second tier is probably for cable networks that don't focus on quality content as much, but still give it a shot. There seem to be very good TV series on 'regular' networks as well, but those are more rare, I think.

And then you have the 'lower tire' kind of TV series. Aimed at the less critical viewer, full of cliché's. Perhaps these sort of series work for those that never watch cable series, for people that have a lower IQ, and for children. Series like that Marvel one you mentioned, or the 'Arrow' one I saw something of. Or 'falling skies'. Childish, completely unoriginal, uninspired, nonsensical, badly acted. (But still better than 300 part 2).

I suppose that these two still relatively high production value, compared to some others (that, fortunately, I never get to see). But I guess you are always going to have bad stuff as well as good stuff. And series like Girls, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, The Soprano's, Treme, etc. are not going to appeal to everyone anyway. They may not be Proust, but they do ask a little more by way of patience, sense of humor and intelligence than the average person can muster, I suppose.

I was really only comparing like with like. Like, say, the best US movies that came out over the last year with the best US series aired in the last year. And I just noticed that only a few of those movies impressed me, while a lot of the good TV series did.

Kaitlin wrote:I agree with everyone on just how bad the second 300 movie turned out. The saddest part was how they totally managed to butcher any inspiration from the first movie.
:(


Yes... the whole first movie was about how great Spartans are, as warriors. And now it turned out that those Athenians (mere 'traders') are just as good at the slow motion fighting! And the Spartans that were supposed to be so tough, and with their King sacrificing himself and his 300 to get his people ready to go to war... refuse to go to war in part 2... :eh: ? Plus, we have Artemisia I of Caria doing her best Darth Vader impersonation ('you have failed me for the last time'). And... oh... I could go on and on... even if I only saw half of it (because I could not stand it anymore). :banghead:
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Re: Movies!

Postby Cassie » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:43 pm

Glaucon wrote: House of Cards, Breaking Bad, Games of Thrones, etc. Those series have to be pretty good, because folks are paying for it.



Well not everyone :lol:

Jokes aside recently I was hearing a program on the radio discussing of the success of shows like Breaking Bad and how we usually get these shows only from the US.
As usual most of the problem revolves around smaller companies not ready to invest money on someone's ideas anymore so they try and aim for the easy... the quick... the average I don't want to think about what I'm looking at. Just today I was checking the tv channel of ABC SPARKS...what a super load of crappy tv shows for teenagers! I mean serious crap... the kind that makes me thing I might as well watch some south american opera.

The US still has more capital and investors who are willing to give a man's dream hope.

Mind you, I don't like some of these SUPER shows myself but I am more than willing to watch them to explain why I don't like them. See Mad Men... honestly I just rather watch Gossip Girl.

I have lived in at least three different countries now and each have a different vision on how to promote television. Granted I never lived in the US I feel Canada is not much different the average country show is never as appealing to me as an american program.

Going back to the super heroes trend, I do like them... I grew up with them but sometimes I feel they are feeding on pure nostalgia and epic effect to the point they even ruined Spider Man. I love that web guy sigh, Raimi had a good vision... leave it there.

I might as well complain on Nolan's Batman. Yes! I did not like, more than anything the last one... I know Wayne is dark and mysterious but here he just looked goddam mopey and depressed. Not to mention the over long scenes at the stadium and the pit that has better TV reception than my friends in the mountains.

Then again I stopped reading super heroes comics when I felt they were taking themselves a tad too seriously. Deadpool! We need Deadpool.
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Re: Movies!

Postby Theoden » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:20 pm

Glaucon wrote:
HorizonNinetails wrote:I agree with pretty much everything you said...but...

How do you explain Marvel: Agents of Shield?


Hmmm, I figure the USA has a kind of 'tier' market for TV seriers. The top tier is on the cable networks trying for quality. House of Cards, Breaking Bad, Games of Thrones, etc. Those series have to be pretty good, because folks are paying for it. And the second tier is probably for cable networks that don't focus on quality content as much, but still give it a shot. There seem to be very good TV series on 'regular' networks as well, but those are more rare, I think.

And then you have the 'lower tire' kind of TV series. Aimed at the less critical viewer, full of cliché's. Perhaps these sort of series work for those that never watch cable series, for people that have a lower IQ, and for children. Series like that Marvel one you mentioned, or the 'Arrow' one I saw something of. Or 'falling skies'. Childish, completely unoriginal, uninspired, nonsensical, badly acted. (But still better than 300 part 2).


I think it has more to do with taste rather than IQ or being able to entertain only teenagers. Some people are just fine with cliche's and low budget shows.

I like the top tier shows and absolutely disdain the second tier shows you've listed. On the other hand, I like the second 300 movie :D Not as good as the first, but I'd give it a 75% out of 100% rotten tomatoes score, if only for the awesome visuals and sex scene :thumbup:
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Re: Movies!

Postby Glaucon » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:45 pm

Glaucon throws a Rotten tomato at Théoden. "Forbidden to like that pile of crap."
:rulez:

But yes... the 'quality' stuff is not for everyone, I know. Some people are happy to watch stuff that makes me puke. Some don't even notice the terrible acting, the cheesy one-liners, the crappy stories, the bad CGI, the predictability, the show looking like 100 other shows, and so forth. You will have bad TV series, and you will have bad movies, and so forth.

But if you look at the first 300 one: that one got only a 60 on from the critics at Rotten Tomatoes. Clearly, they weren't the target audience. The public's rating was 89. Which makes sense: Within the genre (blood, fighting, special effects, heroics and a general celebration of testosterone), it was a great flick. The second got a 42 from the critics. And a mere 60 from the same audience. So, clearly, the target audience didn't like it all that much (most didn't, it seems, except you, maybe). And yet... it still grossed enough to turn a profit within the first weeks of opening, I read. So... a movie that most people that LIKE the genre (not film critics) don't like the movie much, and yet the investment was worth it.

That just doesn't work with TV series, usually. A series has to be 'consistent' at least. The Walking Dead can have a lesser season, but it can't have a season that the target audience rates at 60 when they rated it at 89 before. Because they will go watch something else. Even a show like 24, which lost me a long while ago, keeps on doing what it does fairly well (it lost me because it never really changed). And Lost also kept it fairly good quality right up till the (much disliked) ending. Shows get cancelled quite quickly (even some shows that I liked, though I admit that Dead Wood may not have been for a large audience). There is a lot of competition between American made TV shows, clearly. And that seems to ensure that most shows really try. And that doesn't seem to be the case for investments in a lot of entertainment movies. "Let's make another action movie. Hey... people liked Robocop. Let's remake it. Only, slightly worse. Oh, let's reboot Superman again. You know what? Let's remake Godzilla. Or do something with battleships. People will not like them that much, but because they liked the first one, they will still go and see it."

Reminds me of that movie radio add in that great Troika (RIP) game, Vampire the Masquerade:

Announcer: In a World where people live and die...
Da Chief: Do you think you could just go in there and handle this by yourself?
The Hero: If that's what it takes.
Announcer: ...he was about to meet his greatest foe...
Villain: Kill them all, all of them!
Announcer: ...and a girl...
The Hero: Hello!
The Chick: Hi.
Announcer: ...and a comic relief sidekick, who won't make it to act three.
Side Kick: I picked the wrong month to cancel my life insurance.
The Hero: No, don't say that. You're gonna make it.
Announcer: With the guy from that other movie that was slightly popular, and what's-her-name, from that show you sometimes watch. In a movie with two spectacular CGI battle sequences and an advertising campaign that will leave you no choice but to see this film. See it, because it's a movie and all your friends are going. In theaters Friday and on DVD in three months.


(At the end somewhere, there... I love that 'radio show' :D )

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Re: Movies!

Postby Vector » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:04 pm

Since nobody has posted in this thread since Apr 14 (!) I thought I'd revive it. So I just went to see Assassin's Creed and the jury is still out as to whether I enjoyed it or not. For one I'm not 100% sure if Fassbender was correctly casted (no pun) for the lead but there again I can't think of anyone else either. He lacked something but again I'm not sure what.

As an avid player of the series I thought the movie was as faithful to the game as it could have been, complete with leap of faith and great choreographed fight scenes! I think you really needed to be an AC gamer to understand what the hell was going on though because I would have been left scratching my head as an outsider with no idea what the Animus was.

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Re: Movies!

Postby Leah » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:25 am

Go see Rogue One.

Go see it.

GO. SEE. IT.

You will not be disappointed.

...though your heart will be in pieces.

I just cannot get over how good this damn movie was. I just...really. The pacing was perfect. I honestly didn't even realize it was a 2 and a half hour movie. I was riveted the entire time.

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Postby Vector » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:39 am

Saw it. Loved it. Went three times!
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Re: Movies!

Postby Glaucon » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:22 pm

I probably should see it again. See if I will stay awake, this time. Because it really might have been me.

As for Assassin's creed:

Vector wrote:As an avid player of the series I thought the movie was as faithful to the game as it could have been, complete with leap of faith and great choreographed fight scenes!

Faithful to the game? Complete with the little line in the screen telling you 5/13 eagle feathers found?

I played a bit of those games. All of II, and a bit of some later ones. But that was one aspect I never liked much. The grindy, pointless, achievement-related collecting of silly things, the timed runs and other mini games. Always made me lose my immersion in the story and the world. Like the game telling me: "Look, things may be pretty and the story might seem involved, but really, remember you are playing a computer game meant for 14 year olds that want to get the high-score, not for old farts like you, sucker!"
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Postby Tantus » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:27 pm

There was so much hype around the last Star Wars(2015. I don't recall the title!) and positive reviews everywhere. But when I watched the movie, I couldn't wait for it to be over. So Rogue One seems a dubious prospect at the moment!

Deadpool was the surprise of 2016, well worth watching.

Sicario was the movie of 2015. The director Villeneuve is now working on Blade Runner 2 which should be out this year!

Alien: Covenant is out this year aswell. Apparently it will be the second prequel, and I'm expecting the third instalment will conclude with their alien spacecraft landing on a moon. So setting up the scene for 1979's Alien. Then there will be a trio of sequels to come in the future... we can all blame Star Wars for this!
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Postby Cassie » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:37 pm

I truly yawned for most of ROGUE ONE, boring characters that are never developed with an awkward embrace (like seriously those two never really make sense) . Those 5 minutes with Darth Vader were the only thing worth the movie :thumbup:
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