Tamar Luminos wrote:I personally think that helping the people on the sim get a good feel for and understanding of the genre they're playing in is actually the responsibility of the sim staff and "faction leaders"- which I can see a slaver being one of, just as I can see caste leaders being, the owner of a FW's tea house, the owner of a tavern, the owner of a bath house...the point to me, is to see these roles which have people under them, and taking on a bit of responsibility in helping those people under you to both enjoy their own r/p experience on the sim and learn how to contribute positively to the r/p of others on the sim.
I'm not a fan of the whole "not my problem, I'm not here to babysit anyone else's r/p" approach, myself and I realize that this may not be a popular opinion on these boards, but I see these roles listed above as having some responsibility to them, not to micromanage (ohgodno, I've seen that and it's worse than the 'hand's off' approach) but to provide opportunities for knowledge to be disseminated- through classes, through r/p events, through posts on message boards, maybe even the occasional NC.
And maybe the responsibility is exactly why it's so hard to find people to take on those roles. But to my thinking, if you're in one of those roles, wouldn't you want to be sure the people "under" you IC both know what they're doing and are having a good time doing it?
Kaitlin wrote:Elle Couerblanc wrote:I feel like the trend in the last year in SL Gor regarding IC and OOC separation has come to a point of ridiculousness. I am not saying it is okay to treat slaves like slaves OOC but when it comes to gaining better knowledge and understanding you need some OOC discussion. We do this in school regarding literature, books, music, theatre etc. why not in SL Gor anymore? For example, when I read Shakespeare or Chaucer in my English Lit classes, part of the knowledge and understanding I gained regarding the author's work came from class discussions. What is so wrong with doing this in SL Gor? I have read, I don't know like 22 or so books now and I still need to talk over some of the points with others to get a good idea for my RP.
But you take it upon yourself to approach others rather than simply saying to the people you RP with in a given role that they are required to teach you. That seems to be the only issue being discussed here. Not the validity of OOC training. Its like saying Cor would be responsible for everyone in House Leblanc knowing how to RP and understanding the genre. He also would be responsible for giving OOC training because he chose his role. It makes no sense.
Kaitlin wrote:Gorm wrote:You have to "want" to improve or learn.
Kaitlin wrote:I would also ask why would it be the responsibility of the Slaver to teach a player how to RP other than IC scenes? I see no problem with providing RP etiquette information but I believe it is a bit silly to expect another person to teach you how to RP and also OOC common sense. Usually that is done through observation and OOC experience and research.
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[10:44] Mia Harcourt smiles please tell us Master
[10:45] BryanR Rickena: Tarsk is porcine type animal, and there is bacon that is fried
[10:46] Mia Harcourt: sounds delicious Master and absolutely correct.
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[10:52] Mia Harcourt: thank you freda please go ahead
[10:52] Freja Emerald: no sure, but would guess sa-tarna bread as difference to black bread
[10:53] Mia Harcourt: yes that is right frida.
What does seem to be missing in the list above is the involvement of various players beyond the Slaver & trainer in the development of a slave ready for the block. A few examples are the Scribe who works with them on language or the Physician who might test their responsiveness to the whip. This one dimensional way of looking at a slave house probably has quite a bit to do with its lack of appeal and the associated burn out of the few players that take on this role.
I really like this idea, and it got me thinking...and yes, I really do wish more people would do that. What if we made a list of suggestions along this line? Sometimes it helps to just get the ideas out there, give people an idea for something they can r/p. Because I really love the idea of using people actually -doing- things for their caste in the r/p and interacting with people in that fashion.
Conall wrote:Kaitlin wrote:Gorm wrote:You have to "want" to improve or learn.
Thats the point.
I am accused i would hate slaves in general , which isn't true as i only play my role but i am simply fed up by all the ones which wanna use me to fullfill their fantasy
Conall wrote: Sometimes i think that a gorean welcome center should be a big slave pen for slaves and a prison for the free and everyone should be forced to stay inside till they got it.
Kaitlin wrote:Where did you find yourself stuck and what do you believe has to be done to mold you? Are you talking about with an owner?
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